A Newly Discovered Hollingworth Hall related Y-DNA Signature!
A new Hollingworth Hall descendant Y-DNA signature has been discovered by
my friend and project member Simon Hollingworth, descendant of the Hollingworth
Hall of Cheshire lineage. This lineage was discovered by Simon's recent
research and connection to one of our project members who is now confirmed
as related to the Hollingworth Hall family lineage. This discovery includes
a rather large group of our project members. The current name of this
group is the "Descendants of a Common Ancestor, (CHESHIRE, England area -
(Unknown at this time)" and currently has 15 members. The name of this group
will be updated on a future project update.
Many of you are familiar with the Hollingworth Hall of Cheshire family but
some may not be aware that there was a separate Hall "just down the carriageway"
known as the "Old Hall of Mottram" and was occupied by a branch related to
the Hollingworth Hall family.
Through Simon's extensive detailed research of these various families, he
has confirmed that more than one Hollingworth family descended from amaternal
"Hollingworth Hall" related line. In other words, the husband married
a bride from the more prominent Hollingworth family and agreed to change his
name to Hollingworth. This was not uncommon at that time and, of course,
changed the Y-DNA of the lineage!
This explains why at least some of the various Holling(s)worth lineages
with different Y-DNA signatures from the original Hollingworth Hall of Cheshire
lineage may be related through a maternal descendant of Hollingworth Hall.
I plan to include a portion of Simon's articles starting in the next Y-DNA
project update. I would like to express a very big "THANK YOU" to Simon
for sharing his vast knowledge, expertise and tireless research with us!
John R. Hollingsworth of Giles ......of Valentine
A Newly Discovered Hollingworth Hall related Y-DNA Signature!
I noted last week that a new descendants of Hollingworth Hall Y-DNA
signature has been discovered by Simon Hollingworth. I will include
portions of his exhaustive and excellent research and in the next several
project updates. The first article will include ancient Hollingworth
genealogy/history and lines where a Y-DNA change may have occurred.
These noted lines could explain some of the other "different" Y-DNA test results
of early Hollingworth lineages including a possible connection to the Valentine
Hollingsworth line of Co. Armagh, Ireland.
John R. Hollingsworth, Giles......... of Valentine
The various generations that Simon noted in his articles are in reference
to the first known lord de Hollingworth (Generation One).
Article 1-1 - New Hollingworth Hall related Y-DNA Signature by Simon Hollingworth
The new Y-DNA for the Old Hall Hollinworths
The Old Hall of Mottram or ‘The Nether Hall’ as it was called, was its own
separate seat attached to ‘Little Holynworth Manor’ during the 1300s. Prior
to this date, the Manor of Hollingworth was held as a collection of smaller
manors, with the demense being held by the Holyngworthe Hall family. In effect,
this meant that the Holyngworthe Hall family held the lordship over all of
the smaller manors in Hollingworth. At this time, these subordinate estates
were called Thorncliffe-in-Hollingworth, Wolley-in-Hollingworth and Little
Between 1200 and 1378, the Old Hall Estate passed in and out of the different
branches of the Hollingworth Hall family. The family of Rear-Admiral John
Ibbetson Hollinworth Esq. can now be traced in direct descent to Thomas de
Holynworth and his wife Joan of the Old Hall in Mottram.
A pedigree published by a descendant of Thomas Hollinworth in 1495, gives
Thomas as the son of John de Holynworth, the assumed John, lord de Holynworth
(VI) in generation nine. This claim was later shown to be correct in a private
pedigree for the Hollingworth Hall family held in the possession of Capt.
Robert de Hollyngworthe of Boxley in Kent (1792-1865).
It is difficult to determine the exact size of Thomas Hollinworth’s estates,
however it would have included 1/3 of Little Holynworth manor, the Oldfields
in Hollingworth, and various lands at neighbouring Tintwistle, along with
two burgages (farms) at Deansgate in Manchester. Thomas also held various
lands at Ancoates in Lancashire; and of course, the seat of the Old Hall in
Mottram. Thomas Hollinworth was clearly a very wealthy gentleman, and appears
to have held more lands than his older brother John, lord of Holynworth (VII)
of Holyngworthe Hall. At this time, Thomas Hollinworth also shared his ownership
of Little Holynworth Manor with an assumed uncle, also known as Thomas Hollinworth.
It can be assumed that the Y-DNA for the Holyngworthe Hall family at this
time (generation nine) was shared with the Old Hall family. The Holyngworthe
Hall Y-DNA represented by the Maidstone in Kent and the Dale Abbey lines,
most probably remained with the Old Hall family until 1456.
In order, to find the first plausible juncture for the Y-DNA change, we
must go to Alexander de Holynworth of the Old Hall, given son and heir of
Hugh, and the grandson of Thomas de Holynworth and Joan.
After the death of Thomas de Holynworth around 1440, his eldest son Hugh
Hollingworth inherited the Old Hall at Mottram. Hugh Hollingworth appears
to have had two sons at this time: Alexander (VI) and Thomas (VI). The Hollingworths
of the Old Hall were also senior foresters for Longdendale and had inherited
a number of the ancient forest farms once held by the Holyngworthe Hall family.
Hugh Hollingworth (b.abt.1395) appears to have given Alexander Hepworth alias
Hollinworth the Old Hall estates in Mottram, and a Thomas Hollinworth the
forest farms at Horden Close in Hadfield and the Whitefields at Glossop.
The current evidence shows that the Old Hall scion and the various Glossop
cohorts do not match the Holyngworthe Hall Y-DNA. It is probable that this
change in Y-DNA first occurs with Hugh Hollinworth and his heirs, Alexander
and Thomas circa 1450.
The assumed lifespan for Hugh Hollinworth (II) of the Old Hall is based
on the date in which he inherits lands from his father in 1428; which suggests
that he was in his term of majority by this date. To add to the confusion,
the Holyngworthe Hall family also had a son called Hugh Hollinworth (I). However,
this Hugh Hollinworth (I) is known to have died of plague in 1415, while
on his way to fight at the Battle of Agincourt.
The assumed date range for Hugh Hollinworth (II) of the Old Hall (b.abt.1395
- d.abt 1460), makes it possible for him to have been the father of Alexander
and Thomas, or the maternal grandfather for these two men. This assertion,
in some part, explains why Alexander Hollinworth of the Old Hall, also went
by the alias ‘Hepworth’.
Alexander de Hepworth alias Holynworth (II), the heir of Hugh de Holynworth
of the Old Hall Mottram.
(Generation Twelve. Change of Y-DNA- approx. 1420-1498)
The first mention of Alexander Hollinworth (II) of the Old Hall is in 1433.
At this time Alexander must have been very young (about 12 y.o), as he is
mentioned along with his father, Hugh Hollinworth (II) in a grant of the family’s
lands in Ancoates. Alexander Hollinworth (II) is later documented as having
married Jane, the daughter of Sir William de Ratcliffe of Ordsall Hall in
Lancashire. The Ratcliffe family records held at Ordsall Hall, actually record
Alexander as ‘Alexander de Hepworth de Holynworth’ presumably of the Old
Hall. However, the College of Heralds gives the husband of Jane Ratcliffe
as Alexander de Holynworth of the Nether Hall in Mottram. It can therefore
be concluded that Alexander de Hepworth and Alexander de Holynworth, are one
and the same person.
Alexander’s father-in-law, Sir William de Ratcliffe (b.1420-1498) was a
pious and brave knight who was slain fighting the Scottish along with his
sons, John (b.1454-1498) and William. All three men were slain on the same
day in 1498 and buried beneath the choir of Manchester Cathedral. What is
immediately obvious about these birth dates, is that Alexander Hollinworth
was in fact a contemporary of his father-in-law, and married a wife from
a later generation.
It is impossible to say whether Alexander Hollinworth fought alongside of
his father-in-law. Alexander Hollinworth is recorded as living in 1465, however,
there is no further account given for him after this date. If Alexander was
still soldiering in 1498, he would have been of a commensurate age to his
father-in-law, who died in battle at 78 years.
The Heralds Visitations also shows that Alexander Hollinworth and Jane Ratcliffe
had at least one heir, Reginald Hollingworth (I) who inherited the Old Hall
estates at Mottram. Reginald Hollingworth of the Old Hall is known to be living
as late as 1482, and is given by the College of Heralds as the father of
John Hollingworth (knight), slain at Boulogne. Reginald Hollingworth of the
Old Hall (generation thirteen) was also a forester for Longdendale, which
would have been the same hereditary office held by Thomas Hollinworth of the
Old Hall between 1400-1440.
It is most likely that Thomas Hollinworth of the Old Hall (died before 1440)
and his son, Hugh Hollingworth of the Old Hall (d.abt.1460) shared the same
Y-DNA as the Holyngworth Hall family. Alexander Hollingworth of the Old Hall
and Thomas Hollinworth of Hadfield and Glossop, were probably the maternal
grandsons of Hugh Hollinworth, and may share the Hepworth Y-DNA.
It was customary in these times, to change your surname to that of the estate
you inherit. It is possible that Alexander Hepworth’s mother was the daughter
of Hugh Hollinworth. He probably inherited his grandfather’s Old Hall estates
soon after his marriage to Jane Ratcliffe, whereby he would have been obligated
to change his surname to that of Hollingworth. From this time forth, the heirs
of Alexander Hollinworth and Joan Ratcliffe of the Old Hall have been known
as Hollingworth, with full rights to the family coat of arms with the three
Article 1-2 - New Hollingworth Hall related Y-DNA Signature by Simon Hollingworth
The next possible juncture for a Y-DNA change occurs within generation sixteen.
Robert Hollinworth of the Old Hall and Ellen Clayden of Droylsden had the
following children: John Hollinworth of London (d.1588), Reginald Hollinworth,
heir to the Old Hall, Ralph Hollinworth (d.1634) and Robert Hollinworth (d.1606).
The only identified daughter for this family was Katharine Hollinworth,
the wife of John Bretland of Thorncliffe Hall. Now her youngest son, one
Lawrence Bretland did style himself as Lawrence de Hollinworth of Thorncliffe,
taking his maternal grandfather’s surname in preference to his paternal name.
This appears to have been a legitimate surname change, as Lawrence Bretland
alias Hollingworth is later recorded as a Hollingworth gentleman of Mottram
in the Vale Royal for Cheshire in 1656. It would appear that Lawrence was
the only son to adopt his grandfather’s surname, with his siblings all choosing
to retain the name of Bretland.
Lawrence Bretland alias Hollinworth, the son of John Bretland and Katharine
Hollinworth (Generation Seventeen. Change of Y-DNA- approx.1620-1660
Lawrence Hollinworth, the son of John Bretland Snr. had two children: Lawrence
Hollinworth Jnr and Elizabeth Hollinworth the wife of John Hadfield of Padfield.
This example clearly shows, a second Y-DNA change to the Old Hall family from
Mottram. Lawrence Bretland alias Hollinworth’s heir and son, was documented
in 1714 as Lawrence Hollinworth Jnr. heir to Thorncliffe and a fifth part
of the manor of Newton. Although, no descendants for Lawrence Hollinworth
have at this time been identified, it would be reasonable to assume that they
have the Y-DNA for the Bretland family of Hollingworth.
Note: The early researchers of the Valentine Hollingsworth family were convinced
that Henry Hollinworth connects with the Old Hall family at this point in
history, through a man named Robert. If ever there was such a connection,
then this example demonstrates a possible explanation for the Valentine Hollingsworth
family’s unique Y-DNA.
The next possible juncture for a Y-DNA change occurs within generation eighteen,
with the Old Hall family’s very distant kinsman living at Manchester. Jeremy
Hollinworth of Tetlow Fold appears to descend in direct descent from the Old
Hall of Mottram. His daughter Isabelle had a son with Raffe Sealey, but chose
to baptise the boy Adam Hollinworth.
This branch of the Hollinworth family living at Manchester, repeated the
same practice in the nineteenth generation with Samuel, the son of Mary Hollinworth.
I am unable to conclusively connect Mary Hollinworth to any of the main branches
of the Hollinworth’s living at Manchester, however, there is little doubt
that she descends from one of the major Manchester scions.
Adam Sealey alias Hollinworth, the son of Isabelle Hollinworth of the Manchester
line (Generation Eighteen. Change of Y-DNA- approx. 1620-1660
Adam Hollinworth was the grandson of Jeremy Hollinworth of Tetlow Fold and
his wife Kathryn Barlow. Adam was born in 1634 to Isabelle Hollinworth and
Raffe Sealey of Manchester. There is no marriage record for Isabelle and Raffe
Sealey, which strongly suggests that their son was raised among the family
of Jeremy Hollinworth. The baptismal records clearly show that Adam Hollinworth’s
father was Raffe Sealey however the family chose to give him the maternal
surname of Hollinworth. Although, no descendants of Adam Hollinworth have
been identified at this time, it would be reasonable to assume they have
the Y-DNA for the Sealey family of Manchester. An attempt to draft a credible
pedigree for Adam Hollinworth, shows that he descends most probably from
Thomas de Holynworth and his wife Joan from the Old Hall in Mottram, and
is therefore a member of the ancient Holyngworthe Hall line.
Samuel Hopwood alias Hollinworth, the son of Mary Hollinworth of the Manchester
line (Generation Nineteen. Change of Y-DNA- approx. 1665-1700
Samuel Hollinworth was the son of Mary Hollingworth and Alexander Hopwood
of Manchester. There is no marriage record for Mary and Alexander Hopwood
which strongly suggests that their son was raised by Mary Hollinworth and
her family. The baptismal records clearly show that Samuel Hollinworth’s father
was Alexander Hopwood, however the family chose to use the maternal surname
of Hollinworth. Although, no descendants of Samuel Hollinworth have been
identified, it would be reasonable to assume that they would have the Y-DNA
of the Hopwood family of Manchester.
Implications for the Valentine Hollingsworth family
Although, only four accounts of credible Y-DNA changes for the Hollingworth
family have been given here, there are many more. For example, William Hollingworth
alias Snowden, the fishmonger of London in the 1550s and Robert Carver alias
Hollyngworth of Kilnwick in York near Driffield. These examples clearly show
that surname changes were far more common than we would expect.
Perhaps the most challenging ancestry to date, has been that of Valentine
Hollingsworth and his father Henry Hollinworth of the Irish line. There are
varying accounts for this family, including claims that they descend from
Robert Hollinworth of Mottram and Joan Parker of Claypole. Extensive research
of the Claypole district in Lincolnshire shows that there were no less than
four families of Hollingworth living in this parish. Two lines appear connected,
with the other two lines coming from different progenitors. Further research
has shown that among the local families named Hollingworth, there were two
unrelated priests of the same surname name here. Harry Hollingsworth detailed
one Rev. James Hollingworth of the Lincoln line, however, there was a another
parish priest by the name of Jacob Hollingworth also living in this village
Harry was particularly interested in this village, as it was the location
of Valentine Hollingworth of Claypole. Given that we have at least three separate
lines living in this parish is note worthy. This particular name appears
to be very rare, with only one further account being given in the 1860s with
Valentine Hollingworth of Norton Woodseats in Derbyshire.
The claim that a Robert Hollinworth of Mottram married Joan Parker of Claypole
needs further investigation. This particular claim is currently published
on the internet and is given as follows.
Robert Hollinworth and Joan Parker, the assumed parents of Henry Hollinworth
of Ireland (Generation sixteen for the Old Hall family, or generation thirteen
for the Claypole Hollingworths).
The assertion given by some of the early Valentine Hollingsworth researchers
was that Henry Hollinworth, father of Valentine was born on the7th of September
in 1598 at Mottram. He is given as the son of Robert Hollinworth and Joan
Parker of Hollingworth Hall in Mottram, with Joan Parker coming from Claypole
in Lincolnshire. Robert Hollinworth is given as having been baptised in 1547
at Hollingworth and died in 1631 at Mottram. At this point in time, this evidence
must be treated as conjecture, although possible.
Now this date range, could fit with Robert Hollinworth Jnr. the son of Robert
Hollinworth and Elizabeth Clayden of the Old Hall. This particular Robert
Hollinworth is known to have been buried at Mottram in 1606 and not in 1631
as claimed by the Hollingsworth family. This generation is given as sixteen
for the Old Hall family and could accommodate the date range of a Robert Hollinworth
being baptised in 1547.
Robert Hollinworth Snr. of the Old Hall was still a churchwarden for Mottram
in 1558, so it is entirely possible that he could be the father of Robert
Hollinworth as claimed by the early Valentine Hollingsworth family researchers.
Dealing with the specific claim that Robert Hollinworth the father of Henry
came from Hollingworth Hall: The generation given at fifteen, certainly fits
well with a birth date for 1547, however, Robert is not a name in usage by
this family at this time. If Robert Hollinworth and Joan Parker are the parents
of Henry Hollinworth, and if Robert Hollinworth was born at Mottram, then
it is more likely it was to the Matley, Glossop or Old Hall families.
Now to the evidence that Robert Hollinworth the assumed father of Henry
married Joan Parker of Claypole. At this point in time, the Hollingworth
family of Claypole in Lincolnshire does include the names Robert, Valentine
and Parker, however no firm evidence can be given as to their origins. It
appears that they may descend from the Lincolnshire Hollingworths through
an unknown ancestor living at Newark or Claypole in the 1520s.
Two Hollingworth men born around 1540 were given as living at Claypole as
farmers. Robert Hollingworth and his wife Elizabeth founded a family at Stubton,
which adjoins Claypole parish. Another probable brother (as yet unknown) married
Elizabeth (possibly Parker of Tuxford). This is the family that Valentine
Hollingworth of Clapole belongs to, along with his unidentified brother, whose
son was called Anthony. The birth dates for these two men is probably around
1570. In order for Joan Parker of Claypole to be the wife of Robert Hollinworth,
then it could be, that this is the same Robert Hollingworth of Stubton, the
father of Gilbert, William, Dorothy, Mary and Barbary, who was also the uncle
of Valentine Hollingworth of Claypole.
As yet, this line remains unidentified, but it is entirely possible that
it originally descends from Mottram. The evidence shows that the Claypole
family of Hollingworth were in some way connected with Lincoln and probably
had a recent familial connection with the Hollingworths of Mottram. Without
sighting the sources given by the early Valentine Hollingsworth researchers,
it is impossible to say whether such a connection actually exists. However,
the date range and the contextual associations for these families suggest
a strong possibility.
Now that we have proven examples of grandson’s adopting their maternal name
of Hollingworth, it is entirely possible that the Hollingsworths of Ireland
and America come by their surname in a similar fashion.